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Because those groups have the right of being listed in search results as well. If they go private, they lose this right. It's one of the Facebook's cool features. Well, Telegram is an instant messaging app, but we should accept that it's evolving to a social media platform.

Rear-Tiger 🐅 Jan 7, 2022

The owner is already able to ban any member from his public group. After that, the member is not capable to write and read the group's conent.

So where is the difference already preventing unwanted users from *entering* the group, already knowing, that you will throw them out anyway.

Owners and admins can not watch their groups 24 hours a day. So those users and spam bots enter the group, grabbing personal data of group members or posting a lot of unwanted stuff, before they are being removed again.

So give the group admins the possibility to 'opt in' instead of 'opt out'. What's the problem with it? If you don't like a group having those restrictions, just ignore it.

The *identifiers* of thoses groups are public. They can be *found* by telegram
*search* feature, while the owner decides who is allowed to
join (opt in) for reading and writing.

If you have a shop selling medical masks and you advertise for it, and publish it's
address, does this mean that you will keep the door open even while your shop is unattended, as you are sleeping or on vacation?

And if a violent anti masker enters with a "kill mask wearers" T-Shirt, will you throw him out if he comes in, before he ignites your shop? If there occur 20 violent anti maskers a day. Wouldn't you think about hiring a doorman, also you have made the address of your shop 'public'?

Emilia Jan 7, 2022

I completely agree with you. If you have read my previous messages, I tried to explain this concept.
Moreover, there are bots that help admin about users approval. In particular, group help https://t.me/enGroupHelp/20 exploits one of the last telegram update https://telegram.org/blog/protected-content-delete-by-date-and-more/#responses-to-join-requests and the API https://core.telegram.org/bots/api#december-7-2021

And why should someone list their group in global search and not allow somone to join this is a completely non-sense alternatively if someone joins the group there's bots who mute them until the admin approves the users so I dont think we need such features

Read my last post throughly, it's all written down there.

In your opinion, there already is an available solution, because, "there's bots that can mute them". If this was the case, your argument would also be valid for *private* groups.
But for private groups Telegram already has implemented this feature. So there was need for it.
And if the solution only relying on bots is supposed to be an insufficient workaround for private groups, it's the same for public groups.

Due to this new feature, including an API extension, bots can handle users, that want to join the group *before* they really join it.

Without it, the user already has read access to the content and *first* joins the group.
So *everybody* gets a notification "unwanted user joined the group" *before* the bot can delete the joining message again, mute the user and post some anoying captcha, that every user in the group gets notified about.
This is not straightforward. Notifications to *every* user in the group, that somebody is trying to join are useless and anyoing. And this can be avoided by the new feature. But it's missing in public groups (and geo located groups).

541 users want this feature for all kind of groups, only 23 voted against it.

So what are you refering to, if you say that "*we* don't need such features". The spammers lobbyists? You stand for a minority position here and are trying to bloat it.

So the discussion should not focus on if, but on *how* this feature should be implemented.

Clot Jan 8, 2022

Ok. So possible workaround is make a channel and upload the invite link of your private group there so approved people can join your group via global search and I don't think if its needed to implement this feature, if you are running a public group then you should turn off the notification, you need to compromise something to get something I still don't think its a useful feature tho. And people upvotes blindly without knowing the stupidity this card have, I'll be also happy if this is implemented but there are many other features which telegram give priority first. Bcz of stupid peeps like these telegram is turning into social media rather than messaging app. Please stop this

Emilia Jan 8, 2022

Exactly, it is like we were mentally connected. I gave the same advice about invite link on a public channel and about the fact that this is not a priority feature.

Emilia

Yep, this is common sense

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