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Ilya Temnikov, Jan 28, 2021 at 10:07, edited
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Add an option to create Group Chats with End to End Encryption like Secret Chats.

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Moritz May 17, 2021
We need (optional)
End-2-End-Encryption for groups, because others have it and it´s a point
that´s often made to attack Telegram.

Of course you should restrict the groups, like others to 200 - 1,000
members and the file size to 10 or 16 MB, chats aren´t stored longer
than a week on the server and just one device.

That way we won´t hear "But we don´t have E2EE for groups in Telegram." all the time.

Addition: You don´t have to use the same way as Signal or WhatsApp.
If you want to safe resources, you can take one symmetric key for the
group and change it when someone leaves.
Simon Jul 27, 2021
This is a very essential feature. No more excuses! When will it come? Btw: For example Signal can also sync encrypted group chats between my mobile and windows app. Telegram not cannot even sync one to one encrypted chats.
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Moritz Jul 28, 2021
That could be changed with another protocol. That other protocol could use a symmetric key that gets changed on admin request or when someone leaves.
The normal MTProto protocol could be used for key exchange, which would save the extra resources that would be used with normal E2EE chats.
Tore Jul 28, 2021
SoK: Multi-Device Secure Instant Messaging https://eprint.iacr.org/2021/498.pdf is an interesting article that analyzes existing solutions for multi-device (with or without e2ee).
There are no perfect solutions: the best compromises are those of matrix and the new MLS protocol being standardized by IETF.
In any case telegram will have to develop a new version of MTProto (v3.0).
Mario Aug 13, 2021
● Igor Café
That is something that many Signal and WhatsApp users miss on Telegram.
It's also present on Element/Matrix and it works perfectly, the messages are also completely synched bewteen all devices
Mario Aug 26, 2021
I just cited this suggestion here: Secret Chats and Groups on every app and device... #8631
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Deleted Account Aug 31, 2021
Yeah, please implement optional end to end encryption in group chats as soon as possible!
Rear-Tiger 🐅 Sep 26, 2021
This group e2ee feature is urgently needed. Of course it should be *optional*!

The group creator decides, if there is cloud comfort over security focus or not.
Have a look at the Matrix messenger! They did it that way.

"Security by trust" is so 1990s. Today "Zero trust security" ist defacto standard!
And this only can be achieved by e2ee encryption. What if they arrest and even torture Pavel Durov one day?

Look at matrix, signal, threema, zoom.us and even whatsapp have this feature!

Hint: Multi device 1:1 secret chat could also be implemented by using the technology of e2ee groups.

And again: Of course make it optional for the group creator when creating his group!
Mario Sep 26, 2021
Rear-Tiger 🐅
This group e2ee feature is urgently needed. Of course it should be *optional*! The group creator decides, if there is cloud comfort over security focus or not. Have a look at the Matrix messenger! They did it that way. "Security by trust" is so 1990s. Today "Zero trust security" ist defacto standard! And this only can be achieved by e2ee encryption. What if they arrest and even torture Pavel Durov one day? Look at matrix, signal, threema, zoom.us and even whatsapp have this feature! Hint: Multi device 1:1 secret chat could also be implemented by using the technology of e2ee groups. And again: Of course make it optional for the group creator when creating his group!
There are other suggestions that if implemented can make Telegram respect the "zero-trust security" standard, make sure to also vote and share them:

-Secret Chats and Groups on every app and device supported by Telegram (Android, iPhone / iPad, PC / Linux, macOS, Web/ browser): Secret Chats and Groups on every app and device... #8631

-Make Secret Chats and Group Messages Synchronized and implement a Back-Up option: Make secret chats and group messages synchroniz... #8307

-E2E Encryption for Saved Messages: e2e encryption for saved messages #2264

-Implement Secret Channels: Implement Secret Channels #8707

-Implement Secret Bot Chats: Implement Secret Bot Chats #9229

-Allow the connection to Custom Servers: Allow the connection to custom servers #728
Rear-Tiger 🐅 Sep 26, 2021
Mario
There are other suggestions that if implemented can make Telegram respect the "zero-trust security" standard, make sure to also vote and share them: -Secret Chats and Groups on every app and device supported by Telegram (Android, iPhone / iPad, PC / Linux, macOS, Web/ browser): https://bugs.telegram.org/c/8631 -Make Secret Chats and Group Messages Synchronized and implement a Back-Up option: https://bugs.telegram.org/c/8307 -E2E Encryption for Saved Messages: https://bugs.telegram.org/c/2264 -Implement Secret Channels: https://bugs.telegram.org/c/8707 -Implement Secret Bot Chats: https://bugs.telegram.org/c/9229 -Allow the connection to Custom Servers: https://bugs.telegram.org/c/728
Thanks man, voted and subsribed to all of them.
Michelle - Our Free Society Freedom is Crucial to Humanity Aug 15, 2022
When it says group chats, is that for calling one another too? If not, is there a bug report on that too?

I can't believe that you can ONLY have E2E on a MAC & on your toxic phone & not the desktop - sigh

Thanks
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