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[Privacy] [Private] New privacy option to not allow private messages from non-contacts.
Fabian Pastor, Oct 24, 2021 at 14:10, edited
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Like many have asked before (for different reasons) for years (even before we had this suggestions platform) and as you can see with other suggestions in this platform too:
https://bugs.telegram.org/c/1748
https://bugs.telegram.org/c/3417
https://bugs.telegram.org/c/10535
https://bugs.telegram.org/c/10533

There is a need by some people to be able to avoid private messages for non-contacts.

Why?: There are many reasons on why to add this feature.
As a social person i enjoy being inside Public Groups. It's amazing to be able to talk to other people from all around the world.
But it comes with a cost:
Users/Scammers/Spammers and Autommated Accouns that are (or not) inside public groups can annoy you in private.

  1. Users (mostly male) contact other users (mostly female) to annoy them and molest them in private.(sending dick pics and other nasty things)
    We have a big report button, yes, but it's not enough. It gets tedious to every day for months pressing that report button for many strangers.
    There would be no problem if it was just 1 or 2 every month... But it's way way more!!
    Your only option is 1) Resign and Accept it or 2) Leave any Public Group.
  2. Scammers contacting Users to do what they know best: Scam people. At least this ones don't target just a group.
    Same problem as above: Yeah, we have a report button but it gets tedious if you have to report every day a bunch of scammers.
  3. Automated accounts and Spammers contact you in private to send you advertisments of any kind (i even received ads from a Shoe Maker in Iran, i am from europe :shrug:).
    Same as before: You have a big red block and report button but: It's not enough!!
    Most of those automated accounts or spammers accounts are throw away accounts so the report button is useless. Yes that account will get a limitation but no one cares!
    They can create as many accounts they like.
  4. It's more! combine the options above!! You get bombarded every day from unknown Accounts just for making a social life inside Public Groups!!!!!
    That's an issue..

For some unclear reason Telegram decided to just ignore the issue. They added a bunch of options that are not enough.
For example there is a hidden privacy option to Archive and Silence new Private Messages from non-contact users.
It's a step forward but this option only appears if you litterally get bombarded with hundreds of unknown users...

Most of the people that ask for a way to disable Private Messages from non-contacts are females.
Making that option hidden until some unknown conditional is reached feels like Telegram is embracing all those Creeps to allow them to annoy those females in private.
Not letting anyone decide if they want to (or not) receive private messages just kills the spirit of Public Groups for some minorities.

To be fair: We already asked and made noise with this topic back in 2016 or 2017... Probably no one will give a f*** about this.
Telegram Team lives in a bubble for years, they see things from another prespective as a New User that starts with Telegram, enters it's first masive Public Group and then it gets countless messages from bad people.
And don't take me wrong... More than 80% of people are really nice human beings... But in a group of 10K users even if just the 10% are the worst it's enough to drive you crazy with private messages from strangers.

Other suggestions:
https://bugs.telegram.org/c/3417
https://bugs.telegram.org/c/10548/15
https://bugs.telegram.org/c/10548/20

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Fabian Pastor Oct 24, 2021
dot
First of all I would like to open my message that I am fully aware of this problem. I also help moderate couple groups, some are large, some are smaller, and I am also often under attack from strangers, that's both including people sending me stickers, or straight up scams and worse things. I also have friends that suffer from it too. But I also need to disagree with some of your points. "We already asked and made noise with this topic back in 2016 or 2017... Probably no one will give a f*** about this." This is is wrong and basically defeats your point. Because if "no one gives a damn about this" - why suggesting this again then? You know it's not true, I don't think adding this sentence works in your favor, but I understand the saltiness. "Telegram Team lives in a bubble for years, they see things from another perspective as a New User that starts with Telegram, enters it's first massive Public Group and then it gets countless messages from bad people." I can guarantee you that Telegram Team is aware of the problem. Don't you think this was one of the reason for implementing Anonymous Admins? So people aren't bothered in private? So let's try breaking down why Telegram never actually added ability to block upcoming messages, at least in my opinion:
-- why suggesting this again then?
I am salty, it's an issue that has
been there for too many years and i lost almost all my hope on this. I
still have a little bit left and therefore i tried to throw some words
out after someone asked the same old question one more time. It's sad to
say to those that ask about this issue: Telegram will not do anything
about this, your only option is to leave Public groups or change your
name and profile picture.
I did reported it many times to support and asked to those who asked to also do the same but here we are...

-- But this shouldn't be by default
Yeah, maybe you are right, i changed it after some users with the same thought.
In my opinion it's better to first have the privacy set to high and if you feel you don't need it then disable it.

The
main point stands, as i already said in other comments above. There is
an issue with Public Groups and Private Messages and SOMETHING more than
what we have now has to be done. Maybe not the way i say on the card
above but surely there has to be a way.

-- Don't you think this was one of the reason for implementing Anonymous Admins?
So why only care about admins and not maybe about females that are way more vulnerable??
Fabian Pastor Oct 24, 2021
dot
**Telegram is a messaging app** - What's the point of messaging app if you can't message people? That's one of the arguments that are difficult to swallow, because by design, the core of Telegram is ability to contact people from all over the world. It's one of the reasons Telegram grew rapidly in last couple of years. Here's one scenario that wouldn't work out if people by default blocked non-contacts: Imagine me having your phone number in my contact list, but you lost mine, we haven't talked in years, maybe we were high school friends or whatever. I see, you have a Telegram account but I can't message you to reconnect with you, because you have it disabled. I would like to remind everyone here that I would definitely want ability to reduce getting amount of spam/scam/"hi/salom" I'm getting. However, suggested solution here, in my opinion, goes against Telegram's core principle of a "messaging app". To add to it, I don't think "Archive and Mute" was a good solution too. It's not even a solution, it will still create mess in your chatlist, just won't put it right in your face. My "Archived chats" folder used to have cause, it was place for me to put more "noisy" channels or groups that I don't want to leave but I also don't want to be distracted by but ever since I started being massively messaged it became a "Trashed chats".
-- **Telegram is a messaging app** - What's the point of messaging app if
you can't message people? That's one of the arguments that are difficult
to swallow, because by design, the core of Telegram is ability to
contact people from all over the world.[...]

Yes, you are right, Telegram is way more than a messenger to talk with friends and familly but the main reason people install Telegram is for precisely talk to Friends and Familly. They will not have any issue if this option would be enabled by default, they will be able to talk to you, add you to groups and when you feel ready to jump to Public Groups, Channels and explore the TRUE potential of Telegram then you'll see that you can enable or disable that random users contact you for no reason at all.

-- Here's one scenario that wouldn't work out if people by default blocked non-contacts: [...]

Telegram is free to add this feature with many perks as they want. They can allow you to contact users if YOU have them as contacts with the Phone, not only if THEY have you as contact. Also the main issue is still not contacts (mutual or not) the issue are random users that neither have your phone number and either you have theirs.
Just as solution to your case.
Fabian Pastor Oct 24, 2021
dot
So what is the solution in my eyes? We need ability to turn messages from strangers into requests for communication that we can accept or reject. Turn "Contacts" option in menu to "Contacts & Requests" that has badge with number of requests awaiting decision. Before we accept/reject we should be able to see common groups with that person to know where they are coming from. Additionally we should be able to preview a message they sent to us with that request (if there was any). But this shouldn't be by default, if we don't want Telegram to die in couple of years it must keep growing. People who join public groups are very likely only a minority of users on Telegram. It's us who are in the bubble. However, everyone should be able to set it as they want from the start. Archive and Mute is flawed martyrian concept of "please suffer enough so we can turn your Archive into Trashbin".
I agree with you that my approach is the simplistic one and it might require more thought on it. Maybe a different approach with the same goal.
I personally don't like being ask for permission to allow others to contact me.
To be honest? I would give users the choice to decide what the hell they want from Telegram instead...
I know i know: more options = dead kittens.. Still i don't like that thinking: It's like saying the user is not capable of think by himself that others have to do the choices for them. They are dumb and not capable of thinking so someone else (Telegram in this case) has to throw them everything in their mouth and make them swallow it they like it or not.
I love options and that's because i am here on Telegram because i can compile my own client and fucking do whatever i please even if Telegram forces me to do things as they think is right with their official clients. The point here is that even if Telegram doesn't like choices if you have the right skills you can add those choices by yourself.

But on Server Core features ( like the suggested in this card ) there is nothing an user can do even if they have the thechnical skills to do them.
Toku Oct 24, 2021
dot
So what is the solution in my eyes? We need ability to turn messages from strangers into requests for communication that we can accept or reject. Turn "Contacts" option in menu to "Contacts & Requests" that has badge with number of requests awaiting decision. Before we accept/reject we should be able to see common groups with that person to know where they are coming from. Additionally we should be able to preview a message they sent to us with that request (if there was any). But this shouldn't be by default, if we don't want Telegram to die in couple of years it must keep growing. People who join public groups are very likely only a minority of users on Telegram. It's us who are in the bubble. However, everyone should be able to set it as they want from the start. Archive and Mute is flawed martyrian concept of "please suffer enough so we can turn your Archive into Trashbin".
I agree with Dot on this one. What differentiates Telegram from others is the ability to reach out to people all around the world. If someone posted something interesting on a public forum, you can reach out to them and try to make a friend. If messages from non-contacts are blocked, then Telegram would become this narrow messenger only for communicating with friends and family. THAT is how Telegram would go downhill, I think.

What I don’t quite agree on is “turning messages from strangers into requests for communication”. If you’re getting a lot of messages and are fed up with the scams/gross pictures, how likely is it you would accept requests? Not very likely right? So we’re back to the same box. And requests for communication sound a lot like Facebook friend requests… :/

My suggestion: Keep everything as it is but block strangers from sending picture/video files. In other words, strangers can still contact you but can only send text based messages. After you’ve added them to your contact list, then they can send you pictures and videos.
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https://bugs.telegram.org/c/3417 It would be a very good option
dot Oct 24, 2021
Toku
I agree with Dot on this one. What differentiates Telegram from others is the ability to reach out to people all around the world. If someone posted something interesting on a public forum, you can reach out to them and try to make a friend. If messages from non-contacts are blocked, then Telegram would become this narrow messenger only for communicating with friends and family. THAT is how Telegram would go downhill, I think. What I don’t quite agree on is “turning messages from strangers into requests for communication”. If you’re getting a lot of messages and are fed up with the scams/gross pictures, how likely is it you would accept requests? Not very likely right? So we’re back to the same box. And requests for communication sound a lot like Facebook friend requests… :/ My suggestion: Keep everything as it is but block strangers from sending picture/video files. In other words, strangers can still contact you but can only send text based messages. After you’ve added them to your contact list, then they can send you pictures and videos.
"Keep everything as it is but block strangers from sending picture/video files. In other words, strangers can still contact you but can only send text based messages. After you’ve added them to your contact list, then they can send you pictures and videos."

This solves nothing I'm afraid and causes more issues than not. Most of cryptoscammers never sent me any image at all. Also all the people that contacted me just to send me insults. What about the links? And why would you force me to add them as contacts? What if I want only my family as contacts so they see my profile picture and/or phone number? I use contacts very carefully, I don't add people who aren't very close to me and now I would have to so they can send me even a dumb meme? Too much.

"If you’re getting a lot of messages and are fed up with the scams/gross pictures, how likely is it you would accept requests? Not very likely right?"

Yes, not very likely, but you could just easily sieve through them, reject fast the obvious ones etc.

"And requests for communication sound a lot like Facebook friend requests… :/"

And what's wrong about it? We can do it better, I don't want notification center, I want to put in place that already exists, just is useless for the 99% of the time.
Toku Oct 24, 2021
dot
"Keep everything as it is but block strangers from sending picture/video files. In other words, strangers can still contact you but can only send text based messages. After you’ve added them to your contact list, then they can send you pictures and videos." This solves nothing I'm afraid and causes more issues than not. Most of cryptoscammers never sent me any image at all. Also all the people that contacted me just to send me insults. What about the links? And why would you force me to add them as contacts? What if I want only my family as contacts so they see my profile picture and/or phone number? I use contacts very carefully, I don't add people who aren't very close to me and now I would have to so they can send me even a dumb meme? Too much. "If you’re getting a lot of messages and are fed up with the scams/gross pictures, how likely is it you would accept requests? Not very likely right?" Yes, not very likely, but you could just easily sieve through them, reject fast the obvious ones etc. "And requests for communication sound a lot like Facebook friend requests… :/" And what's wrong about it? We can do it better, I don't want notification center, I want to put in place that already exists, just is useless for the 99% of the time.
"And why would you force me to add them as contacts?"

I don't mean you have to add them as contacts. And there's no notification center. I was more thinking of, after you've chatted with them for a while and you think this person is ok, then you may want to add them to your contacts. It's only if and after you've added them as a contact that they can send you pictures/videos. You're still free to ignore them if you choose.
Fabian Pastor Oct 24, 2021
Toku
I agree with Dot on this one. What differentiates Telegram from others is the ability to reach out to people all around the world. If someone posted something interesting on a public forum, you can reach out to them and try to make a friend. If messages from non-contacts are blocked, then Telegram would become this narrow messenger only for communicating with friends and family. THAT is how Telegram would go downhill, I think. What I don’t quite agree on is “turning messages from strangers into requests for communication”. If you’re getting a lot of messages and are fed up with the scams/gross pictures, how likely is it you would accept requests? Not very likely right? So we’re back to the same box. And requests for communication sound a lot like Facebook friend requests… :/ My suggestion: Keep everything as it is but block strangers from sending picture/video files. In other words, strangers can still contact you but can only send text based messages. After you’ve added them to your contact list, then they can send you pictures and videos.
I am sorry Toku and dotvhs, i can't add more suggestions to this card. I added the links to your messages. If you feel like it you can create a new suggestion and i'll like it here.
I reiterate that my goal is to raise attention to this topic. It's a mess since long.
Other suggestions are also valid!.
dot Oct 24, 2021
Toku
"And why would you force me to add them as contacts?" I don't mean you have to add them as contacts. And there's no notification center. I was more thinking of, after you've chatted with them for a while and you think this person is ok, then you may want to add them to your contacts. It's only if and after you've added them as a contact that they can send you pictures/videos. You're still free to ignore them if you choose.
I understood what you meant but again, it forces me to add person to my contacts while I don't want to do that just to see an image or a video. What about stickers? There are plenty floating NSFW stickers around.

Again, I don't think your proposed solution solves anything in this topic :(
Fabian Pastor Oct 24, 2021
Toku
I agree with Dot on this one. What differentiates Telegram from others is the ability to reach out to people all around the world. If someone posted something interesting on a public forum, you can reach out to them and try to make a friend. If messages from non-contacts are blocked, then Telegram would become this narrow messenger only for communicating with friends and family. THAT is how Telegram would go downhill, I think. What I don’t quite agree on is “turning messages from strangers into requests for communication”. If you’re getting a lot of messages and are fed up with the scams/gross pictures, how likely is it you would accept requests? Not very likely right? So we’re back to the same box. And requests for communication sound a lot like Facebook friend requests… :/ My suggestion: Keep everything as it is but block strangers from sending picture/video files. In other words, strangers can still contact you but can only send text based messages. After you’ve added them to your contact list, then they can send you pictures and videos.
To be honest? I don't want to add users as contacts just to talk to them.
Also i agree with you that a popup or a place where a notification raises up to letting other start a conversation with you will have the same issue as the block and report big button we have now.
If you are one of those unfortunate users that receive a lot of private messages from strangers you'll end up with many confirmation messages too. And most of the time you don't know what they want until you talk a few phrases with them. So it's completely useless.
(it's just my opinion)


I would love to be able to allow or not that strangers would contact me without having to press things and do stuff.
Toku Oct 24, 2021
Fabian Pastor
To be honest? I don't want to add users as contacts just to talk to them. Also i agree with you that a popup or a place where a notification raises up to letting other start a conversation with you will have the same issue as the block and report big button we have now. If you are one of those unfortunate users that receive a lot of private messages from strangers you'll end up with many confirmation messages too. And most of the time you don't know what they want until you talk a few phrases with them. So it's completely useless. (it's just my opinion) I would love to be able to allow or not that strangers would contact me without having to press things and do stuff.
"If you are one of those unfortunate users that receive a lot of private messages from strangers you'll end up with many confirmation messages too. And most of the time you don't know what they want until you talk a few phrases with them."

That's exactly why I'm having doubts about the "requests to communicate" suggestion. It's a lot like "asking to ask". (Just ask!) You don't know what they want from you so how are you supposed to vet them?
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Allow opening media directly from the preview.
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Oct 29, 2023Suggestion, General
65679
Added
Different background images for each chat
A feature to set a individual wallpaper for specific chats. (f.e. One wallpaper for a specific group, another for a chat with a friend...) Use cases This would make navigation between chats easier, especially…
Nov 5, 2019Suggestion, General
42666
Added
Tmail - Telegram Email Service
Telegram is a great messenger, but it can also be a great Email service. So without further introductions, let's start. It may seem like Email service is for the previous generation, but many people,…
Jan 24, 2021Suggestion, General
76650
Added
Syntax highlighting in code blocks
An optional extension to the backtick syntax to specify a language to highlight. Similar examples are the likes of Gitlab and GitHub comments.
Dec 27, 2020FixedSuggestion, General
47611
Added
Change file names in Telegram
Option to change file name on Telegram without needing to re-upload the file. App: all
Dec 24, 2020Suggestion, General
31575
Added
Requests to join group or channel
If enabled, the user attempting to join the group/channel will only be able to view the content and send things after being accepted by an administrator (optional: only admins who have the "accept/decline…
Nov 23, 2020FixedSuggestion, General
155569
Added
[Privacy] [Private] New privacy option to not allow private messages from non-contacts.
Like many have asked before (for different reasons) for years (even before we had this suggestions platform) and as you can see with other suggestions in this platform too: https://bugs.telegram.org/c/1748…
Oct 24, 2021Suggestion, General
102564
Fixed
Incorrect Search Ban for Quality channels
Incorrect Search Ban on one of The Largest Telegram Channel Steps to reproduce My Channel @Funny is one of the largest English Entertainment channel with Over 250K Subscribers & great Engagement. But…
Dec 15, 2024Issue, Android
31559
Fixed
Telegram downloads images instead of using bitmap data from clipboard
When I paste an image copied from Firefox, Telegram downloads it again instead of using the bitmap data from the clipboard. This happens because the clipboard also stores the image URL. If I paste the…
Jun 27, 2021FixedIssue, Telegram Desktop
13517
Added
Please Add a Clear Response button/ Retract response button in the Poll (Quiz mode) too for admins of the channel and subscribers of the channel
Hello Sir/Ma'am. I would like to draw the attention of the Telegram app to an important suggestion/request. I run telegram channels which consists of more than 50k+ Highly active students who solve quiz…
Feb 5, 2022Suggestion, Android
72501

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