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Groups should be super groups by default
•● 🅨🅘🅢🅗🅐🅘 ●•™ Æ 𓂆 😇, Dec 28, 2020 at 23:25
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Groups should start as super groups by default, just because I don't see any benefits with having to make changes to become a super group.

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•● 🅨🅘🅢🅗🅐🅘 ●•™ Æ 𓂆 😇 Dec 29, 2020
Admin Dog
The easiest way is to switch chat history for new member to Visible (and back if necessary).
Yea I saw here https://t.me/tgbeta/3424 but like you said I think it's better when there's only one type. Or another option is to go back where we had a button to upgrade.
Admin Dog Dec 29, 2020
Thing is, the potential use cases are thinly spread, from what I've seen. Some bots not working is not enough to tip the scales (especially, given that a good bot developer would work around this issue – at least provide a relevant error to its users).
•● 🅨🅘🅢🅗🅐🅘 ●•™ Æ 𓂆 😇 Dec 29, 2020
Admin Dog
Thing is, the potential use cases are thinly spread, from what I've seen. Some bots not working is not enough to tip the scales (especially, given that a good bot developer would work around this issue – at least provide a relevant error to its users).
True and that's why I'm also adding what you said that it's nice to have only one type, if this changes pretty easily.
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Deleted Account Dec 29, 2020
I disagree. The API already provides a method to create supergroups directly. You can either create a normal group and then convert it to supergroup (by switching chat history to visible) or use an unofficial client that has implemented the supergroup creation.
•● 🅨🅘🅢🅗🅐🅘 ●•™ Æ 𓂆 😇 Dec 29, 2020
Deleted Account
I disagree. The API already provides a method to create supergroups directly. You can either create a normal group and then convert it to supergroup (by switching chat history to visible) or use an unofficial client that has implemented the supergroup creation.
What would be the point of a basic group if any small change it switches to a super one?
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•● 🅨🅘🅢🅗🅐🅘 ●•™ Æ 𓂆 😇
What would be the point of a basic group if any small change it switches to a super one?
The only small change that can convert a basic group to a super group is switching its history to visible. Supergroups occupy more space, they are bigger entities and can contain up to 200,000 members. I see no point of having hundreds of thousands of supergroups with just a few dozens members.
•● 🅨🅘🅢🅗🅐🅘 ●•™ Æ 𓂆 😇 Dec 29, 2020
Deleted Account
The only small change that can convert a basic group to a super group is switching its history to visible. Supergroups occupy more space, they are bigger entities and can contain up to 200,000 members. I see no point of having hundreds of thousands of supergroups with just a few dozens members.
It's not only that, it's any small change like one of these
• Group members reach 196
• Changing group chat history visibility
• Making the group public
• Restricting a member
• Changing admin permissions or admin title
• Activate ‘Slow Mode’
• Link group to a channel
... Dec 29, 2020
•● 🅨🅘🅢🅗🅐🅘 ●•™ Æ 𓂆 😇
It's not only that, it's any small change like one of these • Group members reach 196 • Changing group chat history visibility • Making the group public • Restricting a member • Changing admin permissions or admin title • Activate ‘Slow Mode’ • Link group to a channel
Also
- Start a group voice call
•● 🅨🅘🅢🅗🅐🅘 ●•™ Æ 𓂆 😇 Dec 29, 2020
Thanks, good to know 👍
Admin Dog Dec 30, 2020
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Also - Start a group voice call
That is not so. Voice chats work in basic groups too. There was a bug during beta stage that flipped them, but it was fixed before the public release.
Admin Dog Dec 30, 2020
•● 🅨🅘🅢🅗🅐🅘 ●•™ Æ 𓂆 😇
What would be the point of a basic group if any small change it switches to a super one?
The point is that basic groups have a significantly lower overhead.

I did say that it “would have been nice” to have just one type – but it would also have been nice if jets could fly without burning fuel.
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