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[List of Issues] Upgrade to a Supergroup
Bossy Shark, Dec 15, 2021 at 18:03, edited
OpenIssueGeneraliOSAndroidTelegram DesktopBot API

Colection of app, bot API o server problems that cause friction after the upgrade.

Server-Side

  1. [Fixed] Group description is lost after the upgrade
  2. [Intended] All messages are marked as read by all users after the upgrade

Bot API

  1. unpinAllChatMessages method doesn’t unpin messages pinned before the upgrade

TDesktop

  1. Cannot unpin messages pinned before the upgrade
  2. Reply and Forward Messages buttons are available for messages sent before the upgrade in groups where "Restrict Saving Content" is enabled
  3. The 'Edit' button should be hidden for messages sent before the upgrade
  4. Reactions missing in context menu for messages sent before the upgrade

Android

  1. Profile pictures set before the upgrade aren't available
  2. Fast shared media scroll button doesn't appear for the basic group part
  3. Not possible to delete messages sent before the upgrade
  4. Group is not upgraded when giving a custom title to an administrator
  5. Media sent before the upgrade aren't visible in the shared media section
  6. Messages pinned before the upgrade aren't shown in the pinned list
  7. The last message sent in the group before the upgrade is not shown in the chat list preview
  8. Widgets still show the basic group part after the upgrade to a supergroup
  9. Basic groups are still accessible when you forward a message to Saved Messages
  10. Reply is available for messages sent before the upgrade in groups where "Restrict Saving Content" is enabled
  11. Dates before the day when a group is upgraded cannot be jumped in the calendar
  12. Messages sent on the day when the group is upgraded aren't counted in calendar preview

Web A

  1. Profile pictures set before the upgrade aren't available
  2. Media sent before the upgrade aren't visible in the shared media section
  3. Messages pinned before the upgrade aren't shown in the pinned list

Web Z

  1. Profile pictures set before the upgrade aren't available
  2. Media sent before the upgrade aren't visible in the shared media section
  3. Messages pinned before the upgrade aren't shown in the pinned list

iOS

  1. Profile pictures set before the upgrade aren't available
  2. Media sent before the upgrade aren't visible in the shared media section
  3. Shared media counter doesn't include media sent before the upgrade
  4. Unpin option is missing for messages pinned before the upgrade
  5. The last message sent in the group before the upgrade is not shown in the chat list preview
  6. Pinned list preview doesn't show messages pinned before the upgrade
  7. Share Sheet still shows the basic group part after the upgrade to a supergroup
  8. Widgets still show the basic group part after the upgrade to a supergroup
  9. UI glitch when upgrading the group by enabling slow mode and there are some permissions toggled off
  10. "Share" and "Edit Media" buttons are shown in media sent before the upgrade in groups where "Restrict Saving Content" is enabled
  11. Reply is available for messages sent before upgrade in groups where "Restrict Saving Content" is enabled
  12. Basic groups are still accessible when you forward a message to Saved Messages
  13. Playing status of music files sent before upgrade isn’t correctly shown
  14. switch_inline_query_current_chat buttons of messages sent before the upgrade redirect to the basic group
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⪩ 𝓑𝓮𝓵𝓪 ⪨ ~ NA0341 Apr 18, 2023
Gaetano
The most annoying thing is that when a group is updated to supergroup, the entire conversation is lost. It's totally frustrating since years and years of chats have been forgotten and it's not possible to retreive them again. Is there a workaround that we can do to merge again the old and new conversation? Thanks!
What you describe isn't normally the case. Do you maybe refer to a group which was converted some time ago?
I tested it right now with Telegram Desktop and could not reproduce what you said.

In the first screenshot you can see the *normal group* message history (visible by the message ID shown at the lower right corner of each message).
In the second screenshot you can see the *supergroup* message history (with the first message containing the timestamp at which the group was converted).

Users added *after* the conversion can only see the supergroup messages - because they don't have a copy of the previous message history. This can be seen in the third screenshot.

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Technical Information:
Every user account has *one* database where messages are stored.
It contains *all messages* from direct messages, be it with people, bots, or in normal groups.

How normal Groups work:
Group metadata is stored for each group.
Messages are stored in each users *own* database.

In other words: *each user* has a copy of all messages in the group - that's why you can delete messages "just for you" - because you only delete *your* copy of the message history.
That's also the reason why new members often can't see older messages - although they should be able to (Chat history for new members = Visible). They just don't receive the message copies from other participants which is also a Telegram bug.
⪩ 𝓑𝓮𝓵𝓪 ⪨ ~ NA0341 Apr 18, 2023
Gaetano
The most annoying thing is that when a group is updated to supergroup, the entire conversation is lost. It's totally frustrating since years and years of chats have been forgotten and it's not possible to retreive them again. Is there a workaround that we can do to merge again the old and new conversation? Thanks!
Regarding the issue »Message History is gone in Normal Groups«

If *your* message history is gone, you may ask the group owner or admins if they still have a copy (can access the message history). They then could export the chat history to HTML, for example, and send it to you.

If you are the owner - then, of course, there might be no option to retrieve the message history.

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Regarding the issue »Message History is gone after converting to a SuperGroup«

You can ask the other group members, admins & the owner if They still have the message history.
If that does not bring success, there may be another possibility:
Since messages in Normal Groups are stored in the users account, the messages sent in the group might still be stored on the Telegram Servers. If one is able to get the message IDs it might be possible to retrieve and save the messages. (This requires a lot of technical knowledge, time and the required tools and isn't really worth the effort unless those messages are of very high value.)
⪩ 𝓑𝓮𝓵𝓪 ⪨ ~ NA0341 Apr 18, 2023
Gaetano
The most annoying thing is that when a group is updated to supergroup, the entire conversation is lost. It's totally frustrating since years and years of chats have been forgotten and it's not possible to retreive them again. Is there a workaround that we can do to merge again the old and new conversation? Thanks!
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Regarding the issue »Prevent Data Loss (History Gone) when converting a Normal Group to a SuperGroup«

For regular users: Make a HTML & JSON backup using the builtin export tool in Telegram Desktop. When the Messages get lost you still have a viewable copy - and might be able to re-import the saved Messages at a later point in time (that's what the JSON export would be useful for).

For advanced users: if the Telegram API allows it, you can extract the message history directly into a local database - and then import it into the group after conversion.

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VERY IMPORTANT NOTE: Regardless of how you use Telegram - if you have Important Data that you Do Not Want to Loose - BACK IT UP REGULARLY!

Why you ask? Simple!

Telegram is a Messenger.
Telegram is NOT → a cloud storage solution, backup system, etc.
It has bugs. You are right now on it's bug - tracking site and can easily get an idea of how much there are. And Yes Telegram also has severe bugs such as this one:

Having that said. There's nothing that can't fail after all. So the more important something is to you - the more copies should exist of it 😉
I wouldn't want to write texts as these in a web field that discards them without warning at every occasion. So I write it elsewhere, keep a copy, and paste it into the web form.
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Gaetano Apr 18, 2023
⪩ 𝓑𝓮𝓵𝓪 ⪨ ~ NA0341
What you describe isn't normally the case. Do you maybe refer to a group which was converted some time ago? I tested it right now with Telegram Desktop and could not reproduce what you said. In the first screenshot you can see the *normal group* message history (visible by the message ID shown at the lower right corner of each message). In the second screenshot you can see the *supergroup* message history (with the first message containing the timestamp at which the group was converted). Users added *after* the conversion can only see the supergroup messages - because they don't have a copy of the previous message history. This can be seen in the third screenshot. ————————————————————— Technical Information: Every user account has *one* database where messages are stored. It contains *all messages* from direct messages, be it with people, bots, or in normal groups. How normal Groups work: Group metadata is stored for each group. Messages are stored in each users *own* database. In other words: *each user* has a copy of all messages in the group - that's why you can delete messages "just for you" - because you only delete *your* copy of the message history. That's also the reason why new members often can't see older messages - although they should be able to (Chat history for new members = Visible). They just don't receive the message copies from other participants which is also a Telegram bug.
Hello Beta, thanks for your answers. I appreciate
The point Is that the desktop app easily allows me to access the "old" standard group chat and media. While the application, doesn't show all the media exchanged in the group. As you can see in the screenshot, this group contains a lot of photos/videos, but the media section shows ONLY the media shared starting from the day in which the group became supergroup.
There is no way to access the old media section from the mobile app. Only the desktop version could. Basically, this open task is what i am talking about: https://bugs.telegram.org/c/13092
Thank you again also for the technical information
Igor Antonov May 3, 2023
Gaetano
Hello Beta, thanks for your answers. I appreciate The point Is that the desktop app easily allows me to access the "old" standard group chat and media. While the application, doesn't show all the media exchanged in the group. As you can see in the screenshot, this group contains a lot of photos/videos, but the media section shows ONLY the media shared starting from the day in which the group became supergroup. There is no way to access the old media section from the mobile app. Only the desktop version could. Basically, this open task is what i am talking about: https://bugs.telegram.org/c/13092 Thank you again also for the technical information
Hello! Was it possible to solve the problem? I have the same situation with you :(
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Gaetano May 3, 2023
Igor Antonov
Hello! Was it possible to solve the problem? I have the same situation with you :(
Hello! It Is still an open topic I Guess... You can access anyways the old data via desktop application, but It Is very annoying... I Hope they Will solve soon!
🧳『Ʀ⎋Ƀ』🧳 May 3, 2023
In the meantime on mobile, Telegram X is doing a better job presenting all your borked basic groups' data in separate linked chats.

You get two groups with working media tabs, but only the active supergroup appears in the chat list.

I'd still rather have it all imported into the new groups' histories and not have to visually search two group media histories for each affected one, but global text search does seem to be work for finding items in the inactive basic groups.
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